Jebus H Christ! Haven't you Yanks learnt anything from 00 and 04? Stop using Diebold!

No, Dag, Diebold most certainly is not a company to trust. You are right there, sir. If you read the book (with the long winded title) The Buying of the President 2004 : Who's Really Bankrolling Bush and His Democratic Challengers--and What They Expect in Return, written by Charles Lewis, founder and ex-executive director of the Center for Public Integrity, the book explains (through tireless research) how Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc, was active in the reelection of Bush - the book insinuates the buying of elections during the Bush/Gore election, and demonstrates some pretty ironclad proof to boot.

It's been said more than rumored that H. Clinton is a neo-con, just as Bush, Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton. I tend to agree. I think we're going to see Hillary win the next election, and that will have nothing to do with what the American people's vote. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I really think there's some truth to this whole blue blooded dynasty rumor with the Clinton/Bush Administrations being the only Executive Branch power for the next twenty some years. That's scary, no?

They still use those?

I saw a video where a hacker successfully made the counter machine count negative votes with a hacked disc...
For anyone to use them after that is unbelievable to me. All it takes is for someone to switch one of the discs and no one would ever find out!

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Another deeper article on this:
Do NH primary statistics show election fraud?

If the Neo-cons can pre-select the Democratic and Republican nominees, they don't have to sweat the election, leaving the general public with the illusion of choice. Blankfist is right on target.

Does this news mean Obama is not part of the cabal?

If H. Clinton is elected president the I'll know that the peoples voice has been silenced and democracy is dead.

Democracy has been dead for decades, gorgon.

I saw a video where a hacker successfully made the counter machine count negative votes with a hacked disc...
For anyone to use them after that is unbelievable to me. All it takes is for someone to switch one of the discs and no one would ever find out!

That's likely not what you saw (unless you were watching one of those sensationalist reports by NBC or some such). There are two main routes of attack:
1. Access to the machine's database is gained beginning with physical intrusion, the counts are changed within the machine, the manipulated data is sent to a centralized server.
2. Data is intercepted on its way to the server, or the actual server itself is compromised, no physical access required.

In either case, the actual disks are never switched out. It's possible to do it, but there are better ways.

All this being said, causality has not been established so be careful about drawing conclusions based on these statistics. For all you know, the municipalities that decided to use hand-counting tend to be the liberal/Democratic ones, and the ones that use Diebold tend to be conservative/Republican. In fact, this is almost certainly the case. Not that Diebold shouldn't go choke on a big one for being crooked like a zigzag, but don't do 'em any favors by building them a strawman to burn when they're fighting off a legit investigation. There are easier ways for Diebold to screw with vote counts that they have control of than hacking their own machines, so if you're going to argue that Diebold is doing this, there needs to be an explanation as to why they didn't do it another way (like accessing their own servers and changing the votes, then manipulating the access logs).

Bush - Clinton - Bush - Clinton

Just doesn't sound right. If America elects Clinton won't it just be the same partisan red vs blue that we've seen the last x number of years?

After Clinton won the primary I wanted to disembowel her and feed her intestines to herself. I like Obama, Edwards, Richardson, Kucinich, McCain, Paul, and occasionally Huckabee, but I can't stand Hillary.

Bush - Clinton - Bush - Clinton
Just doesn't sound right.

I know, I was hoping after George Bush and Bill Clinton, we could maybe get George Clinton in office. But, alas, America shall remain unfunkified for now.

Here's something that casts doubt on the election fraud angle. I'm not saying that election fraud is completely out of the question in New Hampshire, but it seems VERY unlikely.

Dag, not really so. I'm looking at a spreadsheet right now. Two things are involved. One, HCPB counties are the smaller ones. Diebold counted are the larger one. There is some overlap in medium sized polls.

There was a slight upward trend for larger counties voting stronger for Clinton. The main thing that put Hillary over the top was the two largest counties, Manchester and Nashua were 45% Hillary, 30% Obama, and they make up 17% of the total votes. Now it is not out of the question that the machines in those two counties were hacked, and that would make more sense then even risking monkeying with smaller counties. It is very easy and relatively cheap in NH to get a hand recount (that is honest). So, it is very unlikely that anyone would risk it here (unless they have plans and ability to switch the ballots). It wouldn't be worth getting caught stealing here, why not save it for general election of the millions of precincts that no one does pay attention to.

And do NOT trust any crap the dkos puts out regarding elections. They are the biggest assholes regarding facts and lying about election issues. DHinMI is a really big asshole.

So let's look at the dkos MUST SHUT DOWN ANY DISCUSSION diary (it's their MO).

They start out talking about touchscreen. Ok, who cares, only a moran thinks that electronic tabulation matters if it comes from memory cards that came out of opscan or a touchscreen. Electronic tabulation is electronic tabulation. And, in fact, that PCOS is very vulnerable to attacks, like a switch can be toggle to put that very opscan Accuvote Opscan in and out of "counting" mode, and no one would notice. It still scans and operates normally.

They claim "Fewer than half the towns in New Hampshire tabulate votes with optical scanners". Ok, so what? 81% of the votes are tabulated from opscan memory cards. I think that is relevant and left out by mindless dkos zombie.

What kind of moran brings up the discussion of polling data, when all the polling data indicate something is wrong. That is like saying "these five polls from a week ago prove the polling data matches the election... just do not look at any recent polls or exit polls".

And my favorite... they claim if there was anything wrong the candidates would be saying something. Ha! Look at Kerry in Ohio. He had 10,000 lawyers all ready to go and told them to go home (in complete disbelief to everyone but Kerry).

Hey rembar, you know very little about voting machines, so don't say what does and does not happen.

Did you know in many places in the US, poll workers take the machines home with them overnight. Most machines are stored for days ahead of the elections in closets and semi-secure areas in churches, schools, libraries, communities rooms. Many people easily have access to these machines.

The only (ONLY) thing prevent someone from inserting a corrupted memory card is occasionally stickers and a lock that is about as high tech as on your luggage.

"The actual disks are never switched out" Huh? You mean the PCMCIA memory cards? In touchscreens there are other methods of interfacing the machine like the poll worker master cards. In opscan machines, for one thing the memory cards are often transported with no chain of custody to the board of elections to be tabulated. Anyone with a laptop could easily modify the results. Or just swap it out. Same goes for touchscreen memory cards, and most touchscreens in the US have zero paper trail. They may have internal harddisk or memory containing an audit file, but that is all you get.

There are many attacks that could be performed while voting on them behind a curtain. Read about the magnet and the PDA. Cheers.

Bit crabby today, eh JD? I mean, I'm wondering whether you actually read through my comment before you jumped on my ass. My entire point was that nobody wanting to change the vote would actually touch any DISK (not the part where I specifically did not say a damn thing about MEMORY CARDS), and that there are plenty of other ways to mess with the vote count without doing so, to which your response is basically "screw you, there are plenty of other ways to hack a voting machine!" Right.

Do me a favor next time and look before you swing.