It's sad to see karaidl go (even though he's been MIA for a long time) and all those videos killed. I think it might be a good idea to give them to siftbot or something rather than let them be picked over and re-sifted.

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I'm not sure what your point is here? That we shouldn't have banned Choggie so that Karaidl wouldn't throw out his posts?

Hey, look, I just moved up in rank by 1!

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And BTW - "VideoSift admin" is Lucky and myself - you might as well give us names in your failure notification.

No, I wasn't trying to shit on you. My point was that taking the harsh route of removing the ability to edit a comment did nothing to save the sift when a member is still able to wipe so much content in a matter of minutes. My apologies if I seemed rude, but I was never a fan of the removal of "edit comment" and this further strengthened my dislike of that unnecessary change.

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The time limit on the edit comments has more to do with people going back and changing their comment content after there have been many replies down thread - causing confusion.

I'm sad to see Karaidl delete all of his posts though - we could lock that down as well - but I'd rather not.

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Karaidl and Choggie were always pretty tight- so I can guess on his motive - still too bad.

It just infuriates me that what caused the change was a fear of CHOGGIE'S of all people's comments being gone, in fear of a disrupted thread.

All the while more important content could be wiped - entire threads and videos.

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It wasn't just Choggie. - necro-comment editing is something we have wanted to manage for a while - we've had spam slid into old posts in some instances.

Though Choggie did threaten to wreak damage in private chats to me - if he wasn't given his 4th channel "Videodrome".

I think you should have a time limit on old content that becomes locked into the sift archive.

However I reserve the right to have also, a DELETE ALL. Which will allow me to delete everything I ever put into the site.

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We could limit to 5 * kills a day.

Jesus. What a shame.

Well I'm with Zifnab. Transfer all his videos to Siftbot. We don't need to feast on the dead by scavenging through karaidl's discards.

And Gunny, I understand your objections to the change in comment editing, but I still can't see what the big deal is. I mean no offense; I respect your opinion. Still, I've sometimes written things here that I wish I hadn't, and erasing them wouldn't have made it any better because the damage had already been done. Even when we could change our comments I redacted only a few of my bad ones. I figure that I have to take responsibility for everything I write, both good and bad. When I've written horrible things I've apologized when necessary, but I still let the original words remain unedited in almost all cases, mainly to remind myself that I need to choose my words carefully ALL the time.

Also, I don't think dag and lucky implemented the change to comment editing just so they could oppress choggie. For the life of me I can't see them making a change like that on account of ONE member.

However all of that is tangential to the issue at hand. Please transfer karaidl's videos to Siftbot, dag. I believe it's the best solution, even if it isn't perfect. Shit, we just gotta do the best we can.

>> ^dag:
We could limit to 5 kills a day.


Karaidl wasn't * killing his videos; he was * discarding them. I don't know if capping kills and/or discards is the solution. This is a really rare instance (first of its kind, as far as I know), so I'd hate to implement a new rule based on such bizarre circumstances.

Also, I believe if you post videos you should be able to discard or kill them any time you want.

'+1 to award to siftbot

>> ^Farhad2000:
I think you should have a time limit on old content that becomes locked into the sift archive.
However I reserve the right to have also, a DELETE ALL. Which will allow me to delete everything I ever put into the site.


Jesus dude, you got nuclear launch codes hidden in your embeds?

Karaidl?

You're a man titted douche bag. I can see you reading this.

Karaidl was amusing but if he's doing this because of Choggie then fine let him destroy what he worked hard to create. You should always have that right anyway. Dag and Lucky have it right on comment editing, you made a comment live with it.

Bah, turns out that either karaidl is an immature dick or his account is compromised. Either way, the rest of us can sift the videos again. No biggie. We can even dupeof the votes to the new sifts.

Necro editing is a serious issue and I think the solution that exist now is excellent. Hell, I would like to see that we never ever could delete anything, because then we have to stand by what we say and post.

I thought karaidl was long gone. I know that at the very least he must've missed choggie's melt down. In all fairness I think he should be allowed to remove the content he posted. It sucks for the community but we don't have any rules against it (maybe we should).

Choggie is slowly becoming legend... or maybe myth.

After myth... what comes after myth?

/\Zack Snyder movie.

Religion?

>> ^NordlichReiter:
Choggie is slowly becoming legend... or maybe myth.
After myth... what comes after myth?

Good riddance to both. I love Choggie before he became all angsty and rude.

As for Necro Editing: Lockdown and put a lid on it now. For better or for worse what work was put in by both are just... needed, for lack of better term. We went through this (sorta) when snake plissken decided to do the same. It's childish: Basically throwing a temper tantrum because mommy wants to leave the toy store.

People, it had nothing to do with Choggie. I couldn't care less that Choggie was banned - he wanted it to happen. And we were never "tight." Besides, everyone knew the ban wouldn't be permanent.

I wasn't trying to epically flameout or throw a tantrum. Really, I don't have a problem with any of you. I was trying to leave quietly. The problem was I forgot that people browse the recent comments. Whoops.

Anyway, if there was a way to remove my account without touching the videos, I would have done that. Mostly I just wanted my comments and old Sifttalks to go away.

A good chunk of the stuff I've written can be filed under three categories -

1.) Stupid things to say.
2.) Overreacting to something trivial.
-and the most common-
3.) Stuff that I took far too seriously.

I was embarrassed at being a stalker - I was embarrassed at starting a fight over a hairy ass video - I was embarrassed for all my stupid sift talk posts.

If you wanna move my videos to Siftbot, that's great. It's a fair compromise.

Again, sorry, I didn't realize that anybody would even notice. I certainly didn't expect a livid reaction.

Reddit has got a good system. They let you delete your account without touching your comments or posts. That would have been my ideal thing to do.

Also, I'm currently at -686 votes and sitting at rank 58. That can't be right. Sorry, I even screwed up Siftbot.

Take Care Karaidl

If he wants to leave let him, our userid's are ALL OVER GOOGLE, and if someone wants to find out something about us, its fairly easy. The ability for us to delete our comments are important and need to be kept available to us.

a * kill limitation is also a poor idea, the content on this site is User Submitted, and if a User no longer wants his posts on this site, he should have the ability to do so.

Thanks for the update Karaidl, take care.

I don't like the idea of people going through his dead vids, re-sifting them and then have a dupeof called to instantly gain a significant number of votes for work that karaidl did. I really think those videos need to be given to siftbot or somehow preserved on the site.

I agree if a user wants to kill their submissions, that's up to them. But it's a real shame that all got killed. Just browsing through now and some really funny sifts and long threads of comments. I understand where you're coming from, but I wonder if contacting dag/lucky about removing specific things would have been the better way to go.

I can understand the site putting a time limit on editing comments to prevent spam, but maybe after the time limit is up, the edit button should change to 'delete' so you can remove your comment. Better than deleting the whole post, imo.

And I agree these killed posts should go to siftbot.

I always thought you were funny, karaidl. Nothin' to be ashamed of. We all pop off at the mouth...er...fingertips every now and again. But, if you'd like to abolish your sift history, that's up to you. Take care.

I've got an idea. How about karaidl doesn't leave? Jesus christ, why do people do this so often?

You're a valued member of the sift. We all appreciate being able to go back and see your contributions that made us laugh, think, etc. Why do you have to take that away from all of us?

If you're embarrased about things you did or said, I suggest this.

Be a man. Grow some balls. Accept yourself for who you are. I've said some pretty stupid things on here before too. This might even be one of them. I don't know.

I'd personally want your account to remain active even after you're dead.

(Same thing for all of us generally editing comments. There's nothing I hate more than having a discussion with someone who keeps editing the things they've already said. NOTHING.)

i've missed something here.

come back karaidl, you're a funny bloke and i miss your avatar.

How about adding a "kill switch" to our profiles that has like 2 or 3 "are you sure? are you really, really sure?!" alerts that permanently disables the account while switching ownership of all videos/Sift talk posts/etc. to Siftbot?

SEE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN DEMOCRATS INFECT THIS GREAT COUNTRY EVERYONE TURNS ON EACH OTHER POLICE STATE POLICE STATE CHOGGIE FOR PRESIDENT 2012 SARAH PALIN 4EVA

I think we should give all of his old videos to user vjdj247365, then ban that account. Just for fun.

ARGH! A whole bunch of my favourite videos just got killed! THis needs to be fixed!

Also, I don't think there should be a kill switch. I think that this is the sort of thing where you should need to write an email to dag or lucky to have it done.

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Since Karaidl has chimed in and given approval- we'll see if we can move these to Sift Talk. I guess I can understand his thinking - but he's also killed a lot of great discussions, so it's a bit selfish.

What dsjunkid said.

Let me first apologize to Karaidl, as I erroneously implied this was a tantrum/hissy-fit and not something else. I stand corrected on his words.

But I still would like a to pull together a small discourse on necro editing/deleting. Maybe in this thread, maybe in another. We've now see that we need a mechanism that both allows users to leave if they want (sorry to see you go Karaidl) but preserve at least a small part of what they contributed to The Sift.

>> ^gwiz665:
Bah, turns out that either karaidl is an immature dick or his account is compromised. Either way, the rest of us can sift the videos again. No biggie. We can even dupeof the votes to the new sifts.


I know this is off-topic, but I think a point needs to be made now so that it's perfectly clear:

The *dupeof invocations is only meant to transfer votes from a new video (the dupe) to the old video (the original). It is NOT meant to go the other way. That is, you're not allowed to go through someone's old discards or kills and transfer votes to your new, identical video.

I hope no one has done that yet, and I hope it never happens, because that is not what is was meant for. We only want to reward the original submitter with what rightfully belongs to them, not the copycat. The copycat is already copying. Don't let them steal votes too.

>> ^gwiz665:
What dsjunkid said.

Same here.

My faves:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Terrifying
http://www.videosift.com/video/How-Many-Japanese-People-Can-You-Fit-in-a-Pool
http://www.videosift.com/video/Best-Prank-Ever-The-Vanishing-Doorway
http://www.videosift.com/video/Dog-Cheats-at-the-Track

I hope someone resubmits them if the transfer thingy doesn´t work. Or I´ll do it, but it feels kind of odd. Sifty would be a good neutral keeper for these.
Should be simple if his meatbag buddies dag&lucky repost them and we can then invoke *dupeof on all of karaidls old posts...

I really hope nobody resubmits these vids. Let them transfer to siftbot.
Ideally transfer the whole thing with comments and all, deleting Karaidl's if that's what he wants.
And I've already seen someone doing what KP is talking about (with other sifts). To me it's just not right.

Siftbot is going to end up being the neutral keeper of every video in the end, if that's the way the wind blows. I'd much rather that someone else just resubmits them. Whether or not the votes should be transfered is something to be debated.

I hate the idea of scavenging over these videos like this. I think the focus should be on preserving the content, which, let's face it ... is usually more about the comments then it is about the video. That's where the videosift community is. These "neutral" threads should be given to siftbot so all of it is there, discussions can continue, comments can continue to be voted on and replied to etc. Already with dupeof people are copying comments from killed videos trying to keep discussions going. When huge amounts of threads are wasted like in this case, it makes no sense for it all to be lost. And as a bonus, siftbot might get a diamond and blankfist won't have another freakout.

Man people get passionate about content on this site!

I wish to chime in (for what it's worth) for the idea of someone being able to 'close' their account, and all videos being given to sifty. That person has declared they're done with the content, but the content has discussions and references that other members may still wish to reference. As such, give it to the steward of the site, with perhaps a special no vote state, but still able to be promoted and other such invocations?

Karaidl,

You are one of the biggest reasons I went from lurking to joining the sift. I wish you wouldn't go.

MH

I like lamp!

Karaidl was one of my favorite commenters. I think he went dark not long after I joined and I had always hoped he'd come back.

kill all humans

Frantic and emphatic requests were made to the admins when i realized that they had tweaked the functionality of the Videosift, and instantly, alllll of mein comments previously posted save perhaps, a few weeks worth, could not be accessed for crissakes, much less edited -This seems egregious
considering the posibility that there are perhaps, some folks here who would like to see what they had written a couple of years ago, in some sort of accessibility or ORDER!.....The text, my god alone, could take up more room on the Crays than a milllion servers could store!!!.....Fucking fucked and fucked and doubledy fucked, that a blog disappears, as the sift 'changes"......

and that as it changes, within the parameters of the fluid "work in continual progress" motif, "I don't think" from the fingertips of an admin, is enough to keep a user down, instead of continually moving forward.....well, fuck all-choggie poor choggie, can kiss my natural white ass.......

Yes, kill all humans ya loverly cow, find them in the ground glasses and serve up cold, their Sirius asses....Like the Cookbook say...That's what we are here for..To Serve Man

Just a thought.....Hey go go MG, too bad you felt ya had to edit to make the tender emotions and nay-sayers say.....ok

Oh Irony... If MG had made a comment, it couldn't be necro-editted, but he GLADLY post-editted his siftTalk. How sad.

Why push for all these changes and then abuse the system by actually using the edit function that is stripped away from comments after a few hours.

It appears that VideoSift has gone the way of larger blogs that feel it necessary to OWN and PROTECT a user-generated content 100%. It appears that I will never be able to delete anything I posted or wrote. I understand keeping it around for SEO, but no text more than a week old is that important. If so, it should be in the FAQ.

Anyways, it would be nice if sites implement these changes to all NEW content, so people know going into it that ALL YOUR PROPERTY belongs to us.

Anyways, Hi Choggie. I see that must be you with a new acct.

^i like the idea that the content here is "yours" which you "share" with others, rather than the idea that the content you submit is assimilated into some kind of nameless collective.

I don't like this idea that I can't remove everything I put into the site.

ill second the notion that a "delete account" option would be nice.

hmmmmmmmm what could possibly make an intelligent and entertaining person leave the site? isn't that the question?

the only reason i am still here is because lithuania is even MORE retarded and sometimes i don't want to go outside. i think farhad feels the same. but not about lithuania. about afghanistan or wherever.

Why not for courtesy's sake... submit privately to Dag and Lucky when members plan to leave. Then the videos can be transfered to Siftbot.

Karaidl, I'll really miss you too. Live well and take care

*quality

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