Damn it. Why'd you have to put 'I like turtles' up there. I couldn't click anything else. I like the quality thing, by the way. Let it stay the same!

Personally I find the 'hotness' thing idiotic. This site had 'newness' only for a looooong time and that worked very well. With the 'hotness', it just means most quality videos get ignored.

I wouldn't be against a quality invocation for videos, but it would have to cost 2 powerpoints and getting rid of the 'hotness' phenomenon. I really hate that thing btw. In case you're slow

Yeah, the "I like turtles" option is gonna mess up the numbers. I almost clicked it. It's calling my name!

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

You have to remember why we put in the hotness in the first place. So many posts were making it to the front page with the "newness" only, that they were zipping down the page and "most quality videos get ignored". (same problem) Personally I think the Hotness does a pretty good job - and you can always flip the switch and view by newness only.

Raise the queue escape level you say? good one.

>> ^rasch187:
Personally I find the 'hotness' thing idiotic. This site had 'newness' only for a looooong time and that worked very well. With the 'hotness', it just means most quality videos get ignored.
I wouldn't be against a quality invocation for videos, but it would have to cost 2 powerpoints and getting rid of the 'hotness' phenomenon. I really hate that thing btw. In case you're slow

>> ^dag:
You have to remember why we put in the hotness in the first place. So many posts were making it to the front page with the "newness" only, that they were zipping down the page and "most quality videos get ignored". (same problem) Personally I think the Hotness does a pretty good job - and you can always flip the switch and view by newness only.
Raise the queue escape level you say? good one.


The main problem with 'hotness' is how completely random it is. If a video is submitted and gets 2 votes within a short period of time, it suddenly gets high in the 'hotness' ranking and lots of people see it/vote on it. Let's say those two votes come some hours later...suddenly the video isn't in the 'hotness' listing at all.

It's a bullshit way of doing stuff, it has nothing to do with quality and everything to do with random popularity.

oh, and yes, raise the queue escape level to 12 if you feel like it.

Though it may seem random, there is a highly complex algorithm that determines the hotness of a video. It has nothing to do with random popularity.

^ maybe that's how it's supposed to work, but whenever I use the 'hotness' setting it seems completely random.

Quality gives videos so much more exposure than promotes(IMO). What's the upside of promoting videos when you can quality them? I say make quality two power points.

Make *quality cost two power points AND tweak it so it doesn't last so long. Sometimes the *quality invocation puts a video on the front page for up to four days. That's too damn long, no matter how you cut it.

And I believe a video's "hotness" partially comes from who votes for it early on, as well as how many votes it gets in a short period of time. I think if a video gets an early vote from a high-ranking member it will get a big boost in its hotness. I've often noticed that if I'm the second or third voter on a video within the first few hours of it being posted then that video will become "hot." I think I've got that part of the algorithm worked out.

^You had to let the cat out of the bag. Today alone I moved three videos onto the hot page. No need for quality when you vote for a video soon after it's been posted..

You're all eager to get out the nerf bats. No, I say. It costs enough and it works as it should.

Hotness is a pretty complex thing to figure out and it does seem random a lot of the time, but quality is a much better "promoting tool" than promote.. not just in power, but because it will stay "hot" if many people vote for it after it's been qualitied. This is a GOOD THING. Good videos should be voted on more. The second a promote expires and old video will vanish and no new viewers will see it. This doesn't happen with quality, where a video will "slide" out of the frontpage if it's not voted on, and stay if it is.

Leave it alone. The quality is awesome.

If I'm right about my theory, eric, then actually I don't like it. I don't like that my upvote (or other high-ranked members' upvotes) mean more than others. I don't see why a person with more star points should have his opinion count more than someone with fewer star points, and voting is expressing one's opinion.

I wish that would be taken out of the algorithm. Just my opinion.

kp I completely agree with you. My previous comment was my attempt at making your point.

^I didn't take it the wrong way, bro. Sorry if it sounded like that.

^Get a room!

I think the "I like turtles" option should always be included in polls.

I really hope quality doesn't start costing two points.. I'd love to have a charter, but I'm incredibly poor right now. I asked for a charter membership for Christmas from my family. Is that lame?

I really hope that doesn't mean I'll have to wait until Christmas to quality something

I'd say keep quality for new sifts, and promotes for old ones. I don't need to see that 3 year old video I've already voted on at the top of the front page for 2+ days - just promote it. Meanwhile, promotes on new (unsifted) videos don't get much exposure, as they only get put to the front page of the 'Unsifted' section, but quality seems to work well for them.

A suggestion from a new member: Seems that the "quality" invocations' tossed about here are flexed mainly to score the points for the brown-nosers in the herd. Most who have the power don't flex it, and those that use it seem to abuse the thing. How about affording the invocation to a user based on published videos? Perhaps one quality-charge for every 10 published videos??

Algorithmic formulas are so, well..geekariffic. Not saying the same work in sayyy, surveys and quizzes but, seriously; Who cares??

Great work lucky760 on all you've done thus far-not here to doenplay the dilligent efforts of the few and the brave-proud as well we'll add.

I've qualitied 2 videos recently just to observe it's effects. Both were great videos, but I would say it's too powerful.

Oh, and if KS is right, that's messed up.

Voting for this poll ended with the majority of users voting I like turtles.

>> ^siftbot:
Voting for this poll ended with the majority of users voting I like turtles.


While I appreciate the result, I have to point out that the majority did not in fact vote for the delicious chocolatey snack, rather the plurality did. Stupid Siftbot.

The nose have it. Quality won't change.

By a plurality vote (thanks thefakeblankman) we all must like turtles.