yeah followed dags links. very very slick. i bet will just transmute the internet into this :
http://imgur.com/NZHgG.png

I need to look into that, but I don't think Flash is going anywhere.

Unless I'm missing something, I don't see any frames or tweens yet.

I personally think Flash would do well to release "low caliber" versions of Flash editors for free so that people can get in there and play with the basics.

I'm a huge Flash enthusiast, but the main thing that prohibits its popularity is, in large part, the price of the editor.

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Are there not other ways to do motion graphics without Flash's model of frames and tweens?

IMO the only way Flash will survive is to open the FLA and make it a web standard. While the SWF runtime is open and lots of programs can make one (eg. Swift3D) - Adobe nee Macromedia has always maintained tight control over the FLA source.

To be honest, even that probably won't save Flash. the wind is blowing towards search-engine readable HTML - and plug-ins feel like old technology.

>> ^rougy:
I need to look into that, but I don't think Flash is going anywhere.
Unless I'm missing something, I don't see any frames or tweens yet.
I personally think Flash would do well to release "low caliber" versions of Flash editors for free so that people can get in there and play with the basics.
I'm a huge Flash enthusiast, but the main thing that prohibits its popularity is, in large part, the price of the editor.

^ I'd go along with that.

I think there are a lot of things they can be doing to make Flash more friendly, but they're not looking that far ahead.

I've found other animation suites, but none of them seem to have the flexibility of Flash.

Personally, I think Flash could be really amazing, but it keeps getting into the hands of annoying advertisers, which seems to turn off a lot of people.

Too early at the moment to count Flash out. But, anytime a company tries to be too proprietary they tend to go south quickly (see Real Player), and Flash has a tight lock on the FLA authoring. I don't know enough about html 5 at the moment to tell one way or another what will come of Flash, but Flash has a high user base in terms of development and a high user base in terms of plugin penetration.

They may be nice demos... BUT, it's all about penetration (oooh er), and at the moment Flash rules the roost there. This fancy dancy video HTML5 stuff is working ONLY in Chrome and the latest Safari (having a chrome plugin to IE doesn't count)... so your market there is miniscule. So doing work for any company and saying that your market reach is about 1% at present vs 99% is not going to happen... until all major browsers support ALL portions of it and most people have upgraded... then we're at a point where doing any major site in it is a little problematic...

It takes a long time to move people to new browsers, not that long to fire up a prompt to update their flash player that they already have installed and leave their browser as is.

So, while it might be nice to dream of HTML5 replacing all plugins, and I hope it does... we have a ways to go.

OH

Except

Every browser will probably render things a little bit different so as a web coder (which I am, using OpenLaszlo which outputs to Flash and DHTML) it'll make my life HELL. I used to do work for a dot com company here in Australia, we moved to the states and were doing a project with AT&T... Our tech intercepted the html between the origin and the final browser and tried to insert a banner onto the top of each page. If all browsers actually conformed to the standards we'd have had no issue... but that's not the case by a looooong shot.

The thing I like about coding to Flash is that I get it right once, and then 'It Just Works' in every supported browser. Ahhhhhhh.

Until HTML5 becomes like that I'll curse it.

>> ^blankfist:
Too early at the moment to count Flash out. But, anytime a company tries to be too proprietary they tend to go south quickly (see Real Player), and Flash has a tight lock on the FLA authoring. I don't know enough about html 5 at the moment to tell one way or another what will come of Flash, but Flash has a high user base in terms of development and a high user base in terms of plugin penetration.


And who would know more about penetration than you, blankie?



OpenLaszlo is pretty cool.

If HTML5 can get an IDE or SDK (does it have one yet?) then maybe it's for the best.

I am a big Flash fan and will be really bummed if it becomes extinct.

I desperately, desperately want Flash to die. I want it to go away. I never want to have to install it again. I never want to see its icon. I don't want an Adobe program to even be within three hops of my computer.

It is ridiculous that playing a video online can eat up 100% of my CPU and still stutter, whereas if I save the flv and play it in VLC or MPC it uses 2%.

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This is sort of Adobe's response to all the furor- but it seems like a load of company propaganda.