I feel sorry for anyone who debates with Dinesh. He is all screams and hot air. Very annoying.

so what's his point? c.s. lewis is wrong therefore christianity is immoral? i don't follow.

Such a beautifully made point.

>> ^almightygrunt:
so what's his point? c.s. lewis is wrong therefore christianity is immoral? i don't follow.

He follows Lewis in agreement to a point then he makes a right hand turn at the conclusion. Lewis' point was that anybody claiming forgiveness for crimes done to another man must either be the devil or god. Hitchens says if jesus did exist he was a dick for this "vicarious redemption" because it takes the responsibility out of anybody's own actions including the wrongdoing and forgiveness by those that have been wronged.

God I want to get into a drinking contest with Christopher Hitchens.

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>> ^schmawy:
God I want to get into a drinking contest with Christopher Hitchens.


You have a deathwish?

To act immorally one's whole life, only to accept a MYTH as Truth in order to be forgiven is worse than blasphemy. It's absolute betrayal of the human race.

Yes, trancecoach. *IF* it is mere myth. That's the whole damn question. Hitchens, of course, has his mind made up that it is nothing but myth and therefore ludicrous. Lewis, of course, had his mind made up that it was not mere myth, but rather the true story of which all myths are weakened echoes. I agree with Lewis and share his conviction that any sane person must either reject Jesus or embrace him fully. All in between is illogical.

Anyway, Hitchens does well here except that he slips in confusion talking about the immorality of "pushing" one's responsibility onto someone else. Neither Lewis nor Jesus speak of that. They speak of Jesus taking it onto himself, making it clear that this is Jesus' wish and initiative. The difference is rather crucial, unless of course you want to confuse people to bias them in favor of your rejection of Jesus.

And let's not pretend that everyone is eager to have someone stand in their place. No, pride keeps many from really accepting Jesus' offer, just look at all the legalistic Christians out there who still seem to think they are earning salvation by their works. Sure, they claim to believe Jesus, but they sure as hell don't live or love like him. No, instead they run around trying to be perfect on their own merits and end up screwing it all up with disasters like crusades, inquisitions and Fox News.

Still, it is nice to see that Jesus' self-sacrifice on our behalf remains just as he said it would: "a stumbling block to the Jews and a foolishness to the gentiles".

^So it's alright to scapegoat someone if the scapegoat wants to be scapegoated?!