I like the desktop touch interface replacing the keyboard and mouse.

I dislike the idea stacking of all programs horizontally on a plane and zooming in and out. Zooming in and out takes time to graphically render when all you want to do is change your focus.
I also doubt it would work very well with layout on multiple screens or when sharing an app on a projector.

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Beat me by 13 minutes. This looks quite amazing. I'd like to take it for a spin.

The concept really lit up for me about 6 and a half minutes in... but raverman burst my bubble, he's right all that zooming would suck up huge amounts of processing just to switch apps.

Ten fingers on a multi-touch pad: nice
stacking windows in one dimension instead of two: dumb

Seems like pretty much everyone has a similar view of this concept - the multi-touch sounds good, the one dimensional window management sounds horrible.

With Windows I can have a dozen windows open and know, with a quick glance at the taskbar, what programs and files are open. With this concept it seems really awkward to see what applications are open and where they are in the line up - I would have to zoom out and look at all of the open windows to find the single one I want to work in.

I don't want to sound like I'm opposed to change, it's important to try new approaches to achieve progress. However I think there are still some other issues that need to be resolved, in addition to those raised by Raverman.

The 10 finger input method could be very interesting for gaming, and applications such as casual web-browsing, but it doesn't seem ready for the work environment yet, in my opinion.

Finger tips have a large surface area, compared to a mouse pointer. Even when the issue of obscuring the screen is removed by using a separate input pad, (as stated in the video), they still lack the precision required for detail work.
This can be mitigated with increased zooming and larger icons, but again this requires additional processing and restricts the overall view of the workspace.

Throughout the video I was wondering how they were going to handle typing. A printed or projected keyboard layout on the touch pad might help for functions such as casual social-networking communications, but for sustained typing I find some form of tactile feedback is needed. I'm only a "partial-touch-typist", glancing down at the keyboard intermittently, but without a physical reference of where the keys are and whether they are being pressed I get "lost" much more frequently. Generating a click sound on each key press, such as with the iPhone, can help with this but it's not a full solution.

I then noticed in the last few moments of the video a shot showing the touch-pad in front of a keyboard, suggesting both are to be used simultaneously and that the pad is replacing only the mouse. Wouldn't this cause posture issues, having to reach over the pad to type, and increased travel time for both hands rather than just the right hand to the mouse?

Finally there's the potential issue of resting fingers accidentally registering as a click. This can probably be tuned through the software to each user's individual preference, but it could be a tough one to nail down.
There are times when I'm browsing a website and my middle finger rests a little heavily on the right mouse button bringing up a context menu. It happens infrequently, and has no real impact as the menu is easy to close by left clicking back on the page. However when ten input points are involved, each having multiple functionality when considered both as individuals and groups of fingers, the issue quickly escalates.

I'm not saying it isn't an interesting concept, I'd love to have a play around with it. I'm just not ready to give up my keyboard and mouse in the work environment quite yet.

How do I play games?

Interesting. Too bad it's a marketing video rather than a highlight of a general technology. Ten-Gooey (10/GUI)? Seriously? That's the name that's supposed to sell this thing? Sigh...

The keyboard they showed at the end with the integrated pad would be my worst nightmare. I can't even stand laptops with touch-pads in that position. Every time I type something, my thumb or palm invariably rests on the touch pad causing it to "click" somewhere changing my focus to another window, or another place in a document... sending the text to the wrong place. I can't imagine how bad it'd be if the touchpad were the size of the one at the end of this video.

I think a better idea (at least, for me) would be to have the touch surface as a separate item beside the keyboard (positioned like a mouse) for use by one hand rather than both.

Also, the window manager idea used here is not really new. No one's bothered to implement it because it really doesn't solve the issues present in existing window management systems. Windows still get covered up and lost in a jumble. You can zoom out 1000x but it doesn't eliminate the need for you to go looking through all of the windows you may have open.

The thing I think like most about it is the "pointers" seem to show up wherever you fingers are; relative to the edges of the touch surface. Rather than having to move them from their previous location to the new one. With a mouse, if the pointer's in the upper left corner of the screen, and there's a button on the lower right of the screen, you'd have to slide the mouse down & to the right. With this multi-point touch surface, it seems pointers appear wherever your fingers touch-down. (I think graphics tablets do that).

What if I want to type ? the fact is for most pc interaction you dont need to use a mouse. really fast people can use a keyboard way faster than a mouse on its own. I think the reason people use a mouse for general pc interaction is because its incredibly simple and intuitive.

This system to me looks far more complicated than a mouse not because its "new" but because you have to have 2 hands on the serfice and you have up to 10 graphical points of interaction on the screen you allso have to be thinking about 2 hands not just one , manny people strugle to use 2 hands on a piano granted this is infantly more simplistic than that but its still more complex than 1 hand on a mouse.

I would like tactile force of keys of some kind , I think a good solution would be a mostly flat keyboard but the serfice is touch sensitive ( they do exist already just not that refined) you can have it so that soft touching would do multituch and give access to all the benefits of multi touch systems / wacom pads. however it would be able to be used 100% like a old school querty keybord along with a mouse.

If you observe history of PC HCI devices its a simple fact that people are not going to drop there learned method of interaction , unless it is Radically more eficent , if its within 30% more efficiency people would rather just stick with the old and comfortable HCI device. ~( this explains the reason why a pc keyboard is accentually a 1860s design. http://home.earthlink.net/~dcrehr/IMAGES/sgtablesm.jpeg what's funny is the first ever type writers key interface is not that dissimilar to the most modern of laptops)

people are generaly open to different methods of interaction if it is a compleaty new or perceived as a different device , or there is no better way to control the device at point of the device invention.

I think Mind controle of Pcs would be a good compliment to keybord , mouse , / keybord no mouse but maby thats 10 years away.


Interestingly and not so unsurprisingly the whole "Still using something that is fairly shitty way of doing things but it works" is mirrored all the time in the progression biological evolution.

Not to be an Apple bigot... But i get the feeling this was designed somewhere where Mac's were more common than PC's.

In my experience watching designers using Mac's all day long they tend to visually interact with everything on the screen, keep it all open. move it around etc. Replacing the mouse and taking the wacom tablet to the next level makes a lot of sense.

But PC users tend to be much more keyboard shortcut focused with the majority of all tasks typing words into email, word, excel, powerpoint, twitter and flicking between them.

Replace CAPSLOCK with a dedicated Alt-Tab button I say!

I think that if you had an exsperanced designer on a mac with photo shop verses an exsperanced designer on a pc of comparable spec with photo shop (and probably £300 cheeper) the designer on the pc would be able to work faster.

I do think however that sumone who has never used a computer before would find a mac easer to use at first and more intuitive. Just a exsperanced pro user will ultimately be able to use a pc faster.

I don't particualy favor macs over pc and have worked on both , I think apple are good at devices that focus there strgthes such as full controle over the hardware and manufacture of the devices. thats why i think in general apple laptops are probably better than windows based ones , having sead that you do pay for that as well im not sure how they compare when you consider price. if your a student you can get a discount that makes there products more of a fare price.

10/gui doesn't seek to eliminate the keyboard... they even show a keyboard in the video. Don't know where people are getting that idea from.

westy's concern of keeping track of 10 figures occurred to me, also, but you clearly don't need to use all 10 fingers; 4 is enough to do every necessary operation.

The window manager needs some polish, in my opinion, but it's not wholly bad. It feels like they can't decide if they want to be a tiling window manager or stacking window manager. They can't be a completely free SWM or some of their gestures break down, but sometimes it's nice to not be locked into a strict TWM either. Someone will find that happy medium, though, even if it's not these guys. There's no reason to throw out the entire concept just because they haven't quite nailed the WM.

This needs to have a parody done by the people that did the parody of microsoft surface and the wii fit.

"Having trouble using one mouse? Now you have to use ten! That's the power of the future!"

>> ^xxovercastxx:
10/gui doesn't seek to eliminate the keyboard... they even show a keyboard in the video. Don't know where people are getting that idea from.


Ok well if i have to wiggle all my fingers to move things around - but still have to reach else where to actually type then I'm not interested!

The reason why this is bad with a keyboard is because its footprint is that of a keyboard if not more , so to have this and a keybord would just be a pain in the ass , its allso not like you can use this to its full function whilst minting hands/ahand on a keybord at the same time ,

a single handed versoin of this could be good , but then why not just use a mouse ? i ohnistly dont see that the functoins this gives you are anny more benofical or faster than a competent mouse + keyboard user

when you use a mouse + keybord at the same time it gives you much of the functoinality of multi tuch , multi tuch just happens to be good for tuch screen devices , but if you have space for keybord and mouse its actualy far esear faster and more convenant to use keybord + mouse , granted maby more of a learning curve but the curve is worth it because the eficcentsy trade of of using multi tuch is so bad.

the only way i can see this actualy bing good having thought about it if it was just a mouse mat and had the fetures bult into it so if i decided to i could move my fingers on it , instead of using the mouse . wakom pads alrady have this to some exstent.