I'm actually pleased it wasn't Hannity after all.
It's so rare to see an actual discussion without the "You're wrong" "No, you're wrong" attitude.

>> ^demon_ix:
I'm actually pleased it wasn't Hannity after all.
It's so rare to see an actual discussion without the "You're wrong" "No, you're wrong" attitude.


And the great thing is we can have these kinds of discussions every night, on every newscast, as long as everyone gets waterboarded.

I've always kinda liked Mancow. I'm glad he changed his mind, and I hope it persuades others to do the same.

If you enjoy exercising foreign interventionism and violence, then you are most certainly not a Libertarian. I wish people like Mancow and Glenn Beck would stop polluting the name of this party!

*promote!

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Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

Don't try and disown your fellow Libertarians BF. You have to have big tent. You are like Cheney trying to cast off Powell.

>> ^blankfist:
If you enjoy exercising foreign interventionism and violence, then you are most certainly not a Libertarian. I wish people like Mancow and Glenn Beck would stop polluting the name of this party!
promote!

Still think it was a staged publicity stunt regardless of his now changed opinion.

that's exactly what it was... publicity for the issue of torture... you mean, it was just to get free PR? well that's just a pleasant side effect. everyone wins!

Question: torture: useful or not?

^ What difference does that make?

The issue that conservatives have, is the 'Jack Baur' effect. Jack Baur, is the main character for the TV series "24" (in case any of you havent seen the show). Sooner or later, Jack has to interrogate some person that he suspects is a terrorist/criminal/suspect (cus after all, your guilty, otherwise, you wouldnt be suspected). Others could be torturing the person, but in walks Jack, and within 30 seconds, has a 100% truthful answer. As torture of any kind has found; what information comes out of someone may not even be remotely truthful. In the case of the show, its ALWAYS truthful. Which is what conservaties feel happens in real life.

And of course, Jack, unlike in real life, doesn't have to be held accountable for his actions. Since, that would put him in federal prison, and you cant have a TV show about a guy in the field, who is locked up in federal prison. That's where the fantasy ends. Someone who conducts torture in the USA, HAS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE to their actions.

Otherwise, you agree, that the "Ends Justify The Means". Once a US citizen uses that as justification, the concept of the US Constitution ceases to exist!

Lampshthing. You need some lessons in ethics. Just because it might be useful to medical science to vivisect someone alive and awake without any pain killers in order to study the reaction of the body and mind does not mean it is ethical to do so. In case you don't know what ethical means; ITS FREAKING MORALLY WRONG!! If there was a hell then the person who did that regardless of the results would be the first one there.

The Japanese did that in WWII by the way. To their own people no less.

>> ^Duckman33:
Still think it was a staged publicity stunt regardless of his now changed opinion.


Of course it was a publicity stunt. That's what radio commentators do; it's how they get ratings. The point is that he was vehemently against the "waterboarding-is-torture" perspective before this and changed his mind afterwards. If he would've been waterboarded and kept the same stance, I'm sure he would've gotten just as much publicity among the neo-con ranks.

Publicity stunt or not, it's a good example of the ignorance held among these "pro-waterboarders."

It IS torture, and disregarding the morality factor, it doesn't work. He would've admitted to ANYTHING and said whatever the interrogators wanted him to say to make it stop.

>> ^lampishthing:
Question: torture: useful or not?


No, it is not useful. If a person is being tortured to extract information that they do not contain, they will make it up to stop the torture.

That's not a mancow!

>> ^lampishthing:
Question: torture: useful or not?


Human flesh: delicious?

>> ^poolcleaner:
>> ^lampishthing:
Question: torture: useful or not?

Human flesh: delicious?


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