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Why would this guy go in front of this audience? Also where the heck is this anyways?

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Guy doesn't know how to blink....



That's what you get for ratting on Bradass!

The stuff I've read seems to implicate this guy as an attention seeker. That doesn't exonerate Brad Manning. Also, as slinky and weasel-like as this guy seems, the mob doesn't strike me as morally superior in this case.

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This is from the HOPE (Hackers from Planet Earth) conference in New York, back in July.

>> ^Yogi:

Why would this guy go in front of this audience? Also where the heck is this anyways?

this lamo dude is a fucking cunt.
and his creep factor is off the frikkin charts...




i am going to go out on a limb and say that this weasel is a paid whore with the flimsy cover that he is working as a "private citizen".

>> ^kranzfakfa:

This is from the HOPE (Hackers from Planet Earth) conference in New York, back in July.
>> ^Yogi:
Why would this guy go in front of this audience? Also where the heck is this anyways?



Yeah I looked it up...watched the rest of it...read about how he was just diagnosed with Aspergers which is interesting. I don't know exactly what happened here but it's pretty clear he's keeping most everything from us, not an unreasonable position considering how upset the audience was with him.

I think there could be an interesting moral argument about this situation specifically, and I think because of the moderator and the general tone of the room in this setting it wasn't had.

>> ^enoch:

i am going to go out on a limb and say that this weasel is a paid whore with the flimsy cover that he is working as a "private citizen".


Indeed. What seems to have happened is that the US intelligence agencies aren't allowed to do some kinds of spying, so they just went ahead and outsourced the entire thing to "citizen groups".

You know, the kind that are funded by the government and have surveillance state cronies heading them.

Oh no she didn't.

She played the John Stuart, fucking, Mill card. Mill was a classical liberal among other things.

I believe she was referring to his Axiom:

The object of this Essay is to assert one very simple principle, as entitled to govern absolutely the dealings of society with the individual in the way of compulsion and control, whether the means used be physical force in the form of legal penalties, or the moral coercion of public opinion. That principle is, that the sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right... The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harm_principle

>> ^NordlichReiter:

Oh no she didn't.
She played the John Stuart, fucking, Mill card. Mill was a classical liberal among other things.
I believe she was referring to his Axiom:

The object of this Essay is to assert one very simple principle, as entitled to govern absolutely the dealings of society with the individual in the way of compulsion and control, whether the means used be physical force in the form of legal penalties, or the moral coercion of public opinion. That principle is, that the sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right... The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harm_principle

>> ^enoch: i am going to go out on a limb and say that this weasel is a paid whore with the flimsy cover that he is working as a "private citizen".



well, he does work with project vigilant

Fascinating stuff. People always wrap themselves in the flag when they sell out the public interest to the Government.

>> ^shole:

>> ^enoch: i am going to go out on a limb and say that this weasel is a paid whore with the flimsy cover that he is working as a "private citizen".


well, he does work with project vigilant


Googling Project Vigilant shows numerous Sec sites are agreeing that project vigilant is either a Fraud, or a Publicity Stunt.

How is this guy a creep, asshole, cunt, moron, idiot or deserve any other derogatory name?

That piece of shit Manning stole thousands of classified documents that, in the wrong hands (read: the entire fucking internet) could cause a lot of harm to U.S. service members. The only thing this guy did was tell the authorities what the P.O.S. did. Would you trash-talk someone for reporting a theft, rape or murder? How the fuck is this any different?

Would you report on someone for illegally invading another country and killing women and children? How far would you go to stop such wanton destruction?

Your arguments are just imperial rhetoric. Everything the US does is always moral and justified, but anything anyone else does that even slightly resembles defiance is an intolerable offense. I'm sure the "entire fucking internet" would have preferred that no invasion had ever taken place. But it did, so now one fights as he is able against the lobotomized destruction machine the US has become.

Sometimes I feel so tired when studying history. The same patterns and arguments repeat themselves ad nauseam. What do you think the Soviets were saying in their propaganda during their invasion of Afghanistan? Didn't Russian mothers care about their children being blown up in the desert? Did that stop the US giving AA weaponry to the Taliban?

But you are correct. All that pales in comparison to Wikileaks telling it like it is.

>> ^MarineGunrock:

How is this guy a creep, asshole, cunt, moron, idiot or deserve any other derogatory name?
That piece of shit Manning stole thousands of classified documents that, in the wrong hands (read: the entire fucking internet) could cause a lot of harm to U.S. service members. The only thing this guy did was tell the authorities what the P.O.S. did. Would you trash-talk someone for reporting a theft, rape or murder? How the fuck is this any different?

And would you say the same thing to me if I told you I was directly affected by these leaks? What would you say if I had said that my unit lead the force that invaded Marjah earlier this year, and the Taliban knew we were coming because of some piece of shit leaked a bunch of classified documents?

This wasn't just a simple case of "defiance" - it was a huge fucking breach of security. Yeah, the "entire fucking internet" probably would have preferred that we didn't invade a country. But so doesn't a lot of servicemen and women. So they should have to suffer at the hands of some 19 year old kid who doesn't know his head from his ass because he's just "fighting as he is able"?

@MarineGunrock

Go step on a landmine you chinless weasel. It's the War Crimes, stupid.

Thanks for the ad hom. Really solidifies your position as an intellect.

Shut up and get to your neighbourhood bar. Take your rightful place among the robots, robot.

24 year old (if you are referring to Manning). And I would say to you that courage without conscience is simple barbarity.

When the democratic revolution happened here in Portugal, 25 of April of 1974, the soldiers under the command of the regime all disobeyed orders. Things could have gotten very ugly if they had disregarded their conscience and followed orders like good soldiers. There was special concern over a battleship stationed near Lisbon, since the Navy was more loyalist. They could have leveled half the city. But they did nothing.

The only people who fired on the crowd were the secret services, trying to gain time so they could burn all the evidence of their abuses of the population.

So you tell me that Manning doesn't know his ass from his head, but maybe it's the other way around. Because US soldiers are very good soldiers. They always obey orders.

If the Nuremberg trials taught us anything, it's that "I was just following orders" is not good enough.

I would say if someone ordered, allowed or you followed the order to continue with your invasion after becoming aware of the leak and associating it with danger to your mission, then you and whom ever is involved are complete fucking morons. That's what I would say. It wasn't leaked to the Taliban first, it was leaked worldwide.

It is not up to Manning to ensure your safety.

>> ^MarineGunrock:

And would you say the same thing to me if I told you I was directly affected by these leaks? What would you say if I had said that my unit lead the force that invaded Marjah earlier this year, and the Taliban knew we were coming because of some piece of shit leaked a bunch of classified documents?
This wasn't just a simple case of "defiance" - it was a huge fucking breach of security. Yeah, the "entire fucking internet" probably would have preferred that we didn't invade a country. But so doesn't a lot of servicemen and women. So they should have to suffer at the hands of some 19 year old kid who doesn't know his head from his ass because he's just "fighting as he is able"?

>> ^DerHasisttot:

Guy doesn't know how to blink....

That's what you get for ratting on Bradass!
that's a neurological problem you inconsiderate fucking idiot!

Why do we even tell people we're at war? All it does is piss them off and put our troops in more danger. If the truth is upsetting then we're probably better off keeping it to ourselves.

No reporting on the war = no known civilian casualties. Problem solved, and the troops are safer as a result!

Wait, I mean... what troops? We don't have any soldiers in HEY LOOK OVER THERE. [/vanish]

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