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Farhad2000says...Assholes Uzbekistan! It always gets me!
ambassdorsays...Exposure like this kills future-Borat.. ho hum.
Dr.Conspiracysays...Its been a long time since I had a woman in my cage......
SplinterOfChaossays...I wonder, is it Iranians who have rapist fathers and marry their siblings, Muslims, or just him? I find it hard to find this type of joke funny and find it harder to call it satire. Satire points out stupidity of shows the immorality of an instance. Is he telling me that all Muslims or Iranians commit to rapings and sibling marrage? Is he telling me that everyone in the middle east has no respect at all for women (and if you read the Iraq constitution, you might see more equallity than expected - although inforcement is always the bigger issue).
Can I call this comedy? Comedy is the art ofproducing the giggles. Yeah, some people find this funny, I can call it comedy. But I can't isult an entire genre by calling this satire unless the answer to all the above questions is yes and it's either true or he's pointing out the racist beliefs we have of Iran. And from what I've seen of his movie, he is greated with kindness and the racist beliefs only come when he insights them.
Farhad2000says...I believe it's a reverse satire, the common misconception is that the middle east is as a whole backward. as you mention SplinterOfChaos (Ubisoft not pressing charges yet? )
legacy0100says...Man why do people have to respond to the shock factor. And why the hell is CNN covering Borat??? Legit journalism my ass.
SplinterOfChaossays...It's funny. Originally I only decided to comment (I've seen 4 vids without) because I had just lost what ever hope was left of CNN and I get so caught up in a political rant that I forget to mention what Legacy put so clearly. Thanks fo saying what I forgot.
And farhad:
It may be reverse satire (maybe), but to be considered satire there still needs to be a contrast to the truth and the depiction, other-wise known as an irony. Where's the truth among the lies? Although I don't etirely know what is meant by reverse satire - do you mean that it depicts reality's opposite and is thus oppositively true? Even if that is what you mean, it must fit the description of the sub-genre satire, before the (sub?) sub-genre reverse satire. But I'm just geussing really.
peretzsays...Here's an example of Cohen's reverse satire:
http://www.videosift.com/story.php?id=5183
He's Jewish. He goes into a podunk backwaters bar and sings an anti-Jewish song and the crowd eats it up. The joke is on them... they look like the idiots that they are.
That's his whole Borat schtick. He is the comical representation of what backwaters-folk think of people from that part of the world. Ultimately, it's not a joke on Khazaks, but on the backwaters-folk.
scottishmartialartssays...What Peretz said. Also, Kazahkstan is in central Asia, not the middle east and being a former soviet satellite state has more in common with eastern europe than Iran. So no he is not telling you that "all Muslims or Iranians commit to rapings and sibling marrage".
Farhad2000says...And America's perception of Eastern Europe is much better? I mean look at Hostel and what they made East Europe look like...
macsays...As mentioned, Borat is supposedly from Kazakhstan. I'm not quite sure where you are drawing this Iranian parallel.
SplinterOfChaossays...I stand corrected, thank you for enlightening me about Cohen - I saw an irony there, although a little is still left to wonder. I still don't know his opinions on Kazakhstan, but I guess I'll have to see the movie, against my prior judgment. How else can I tell how he feels as a "comedian" than to see his movie and look for a greater contrast. Although I MIGHT still consider it satire without it, I know that it wouldn't help ameliorate stereotypes if he acts racist, whether or not he is.
I'm sorry to any one I've offended.
RajaJajasays...Middle East or Central Asia, we're still talking Muslim lands. Cohen is intentional about this.
Regarding his Ali G character, Cohen said in an interview that he used a Muslim character because most people are very reluctant to insult Muslims. He never said why he thinks people are overly sensitive toward Muslims, but he exploits that fact to push people further than he might otherwise get away with.
His Ali G character and now Borat are good evidence that he is right -- people are less likely to question the authenticity of a Muslim. I believe that's a big part of his point. If you agree with him, I think he wants you to ask "Why?" Personally, I think this is his strategy for attacking the foundations of Anti-Semitism, but that's just my opinion.
choggiesays......Methinks the Raja, may be onto something, touche!
Borat is genius, no? but.....slimy Uzbekistani cunts would say different!!!
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